Kat: [00:00:00] it's awesome to be sitting here with you, Peter, in your place and thank you so much for sharing this space. even though you are not a well known person, you have a great influence on. This time of transformation, this time of paradigm shift that we're all feeling and all going through.
I really appreciate, the insight, wisdom, observations you've been able to share with me over the years and specifically at this time, we're at in right now, this winter solstice in here in 2022. And yeah, I would love for you to elaborate a little bit. , just introduce yourself and talk a little bit about your this investigative evolutionary way that you approach life, whether you're exploring, the outer world and what is going on in our world, and this, all this mysterious and baffling time that we're in, but also how that relates to your own inner explorations and spiritual growth.
Peter: Well, Kat, thank you for initiating this talk.
It's a new activity for [00:01:00] me and so I'm looking forward to learning from it and sharing whatever might be useful. Just a few words about my background. I started meditating twice a day when I was 18, and I had a steady committed practice and I think that put me on a certain path from a young age, which is the path of consciousness.
And I also sought out a critical education, which is much harder to get. I'm approaching my mid sixties and so I was studying, in university in the late seventies and early eighties and in the social sciences. So I was trained to at that time to ask questions where I selected an academic path that allowed me to ask questions and learn about different ways of looking at things.
And I think that's because. . I just knew there was a lot wrong with the world and I had a long and pretty unhappy marriage. And then the end of that brought about a big personal transformation and and my consciousness really cracked open. I was introduced to the practice of sacred geometry building, sacred geometric structures, space forms if you like, and other devices that essentially channel cosmic.
[00:02:00] By mimicking if you like, the structure of the universe and enhancing the development of consciousness and changing the vibrations in the world. And that came at a time when my understanding of darkness in the world, or evil, if you like. The suppression of human potential was just painfully exploded around this time of transformation.
So two things were going on for me and they have marked my life since then. And that was about 21 years ago a recognition of the horrible conditions on this planet. And on the other hand , a sudden growth and awareness of the beauty of the cosmos and our potential to connect our consciousness to forms of consciousness off the planet and and even higher energies within the planet.
And the understanding that reality is organized along a frequency spectrum. And you can involve by, in a sense, writing up the spectrum. And so through meditation and sacred geometry and becoming more selective. In my friendships, I was able to keep evolving despite conditions that since nine 11 became progressively worse [00:03:00] for people.
And so it's been this strange mix of horror and bliss, and then around 2018 I re-engaged the public discourse through the media. I never used the social media but I basically engaged the truth or discourse, if you want to call it that around 2018 and have stayed with it and learned a lot more detail about, about the structure and the strategies of this death cult that has been running the world.
I don't use those words lightly, but it's necessary to be. . A lot of people are sitting on the fence right now and they're confused about this question of evil. most religious people know that evil exists, but most secular people I think, are in denial. And whether we're secular or religious or call ourselves spiritual as I do, I think we all need to get real about the fact that some very very bad.
Ideas and forces and. And people who've become bad through engaging those forces have been going on. And that's been the ascendant aspect of our political life. Our economic life and actually our [00:04:00] healthcare system, our education system, the whole thing has been, we're beginning to learn a kind of a con and our own energies, our own consciousness was being turned against us.
I intuited this about 20 years ago when I had my sort of, midlife crisis and change of life. But the last two years of research, I guess it's like three or four now, have have really pushed this in my face. So I'll stop there that I said I was gonna be a brief account on my profile, but it was a long one.
So back to you .
Kat: Okay, yeah. what do you think is the importance of engaging this type of really, to put it mildly unpleasant information. About our world. What's, there's a often a big debate that goes on in, I'll say so-called spiritual communities or people who believe that they're following the spiritual path, but may also be misled in the types.
Cognitive traps that we've been learned into in some ways. Yeah. What has been the value for you personally in engaging this information and delving in and learning more about the shadow side of our [00:05:00] world? And how do you remain robust in your positivity and your evolution? in spite of that, alongside that.
Heaviness, . So many people spend so much time avoiding.
Peter: Yeah, it's a good point. When you engage this kind of information it's very disturbing. And I have to say that things that disturb me at the beginning don't disturb me now because I don't know if you'd call it, the skin gets thicker.
I'm not really a thick skin person. But you start integrating the knowledge. . That's a really good. I have found it a very painful process. And it's not just personal pain, it's collective pain. And I think you're, I think you said something about people avoiding the pain, and that seems to be a key mechanism for keeping people on the hamster wheel, keeping them subscribing to the illusion, the consensus reality that every something is real because 80 or 90% of the population agrees that it's real, even if there's another reality that completely contradicts it.
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Kat: What did you learn about, say, the spiritual communities or say even thought leaders or [00:06:00] visionaries? Philosophers, people that we would consider to be, leading edge in their field? What, since the Scamdemic begun, in 2020, there's been a lot of separating the weed from the chaff in that sense.
What has that revealed to you about where humanity is at
Peter: Thanks for that question, Kat. It's really good. That's been one of the hardest things for me is the shock of seeing that people that I thought had superior minds and thought of as being capable of seriously inquiry into what's really happening, revealed themselves to be complete.
And there's this interesting paradox that often the people who just work with their hands and don't have a lot of higher education seem to be more connected to their gut feeling and more capable of detecting lies. And we're used to living with lies official and commercial and so on.
But the covid, vax era really raised the stakes and we're really talking about the future of humanity. And the health of our children, or even the existence of our children or grandchildren. So that was really, has been really hard [00:07:00] to realize that I had no idea who was connected with the truth and who wasn't, and still can't predict.
, how somebody might shake out on this question that we're discussing. , do you think. You need to get shots and put on a back. So do you think you need to stand up and say, this is wrong? , and there's no question about how I've been through this and, or you, and that's why we're having this talk.
And probably most of the people who are listening to this talk are like us. And probably none of the people who, are wearing, still wearing masks and bragging about the number of shots they have are listening to this. But that crucial group is the group in the middle, and maybe that's who we're really doing this for.
I don't know, did that answer the question?
Kat: Yeah it did. I think, you and I both agree, that it's difficult to predict who truly is ready to engage with reality. Head on. But once you discover people that are, and then other people that perhaps surprise you, because you.
they would be willing to, discuss any manner of topics, especially around, this critical time of transformation we're in. . What are the characteristics [00:08:00] you've found about the people that are willing to go there, that are willing to engage? And what kind of progress or evolution do you think is available from that?
Peter: I don't know if how much I know about this or how good this answer will be, but the word that popped into my head when you finished your question was courage. . And I think the question is, are you prepared to feel the pain of learning about the truth and do it anyway? And there's that old, I think it's a sports expression feel the fear, and do it.
And I think that it's the people who have that gutsiness, that that inner strength that will to survive and that will to thrive, I think, that are saying okay, it's gonna be painful, it's gonna be hard, by God somebody's gotta do this and I'm gonna step up. So that's my feeling about that.
But you asked a question earlier that was I think important and I don't think I completed my answer. So I want to go back to that with your forbearance. and that is about how you, how. get through the difficulty of this period and confronting these, this painful learning process about hidden realities and very dark things that are [00:09:00] going on under the surface of life.
And I use that term, I use that phrase metaphorically, but we're also learning that it has a literal meaning below the surface, things that are going on below the surface. And I don't want to get into that in this chat. I don't know that there's time. But I encourage the people who don't know what that means to consider it and think about it, the literal meaning of below the surface.
What I've found is that as I've progressed in my understanding, there's a certain satisfaction in learning how it really works and I think I only have really started feeling like that's been happening in the last six or eight months or something like that. And it was just really hard slogging until then, as.
as the end of the dark civilization accelerates the protagonists are more confident of victory and are releasing more information. And so those who are attuned to the sources of this information And pay a close attention and give careful [00:10:00] consideration. If you meet all of those criteria, you can start to get a fairly good, not a precise, but a fairly good handle on what's happening.
And and then when you link those kinds of understandings, which you might call geopolitical and you might call cognitive or to do with the collective cognition and the collective consciousness, when. when you link that, those ideas to spiritual perception the possibility of the regeneration of humanity, not merely the escape from tyranny, but the attainment of a significantly higher state of consciousness, is significantly higher level of health, a significantly more wholesome and satisfying way of life that we're going into a new era that's gonna.
probably completely different from what we know and a lot better. And the more you learn, the more you realize. It's like the feeling is, oh my God, it's happening. We're actually moving into the new age. And people who are trapped in the old pessimism that this ruthless order conditioned us into don't understand a statement.
[00:11:00] and people who are struggling at an earlier point in the learning curve to say, just learning about the underground infrastructure are saying, well, gee, I hope I get there, but I'm not there yet. But I'm finding, that it's more and more I'm feeling that it's a very exciting time to be alive.
A dangerous one. Yeah. A disturbing one. Yeah, no question. And the social division and the the alienation that, that has occurred. people with different kinds of understandings about what's happening. It's hard for us all to live with, no matter what side of the defense you're on. I think we all feel, real emotional pain around that, and a lot of social discomfort on top of all of things that are much closer to home like, like people getting really sick and people dying and people disagreeing about why that's happening.
All of it's, all of it's really serious, but I don't think it's gonna be all that long before the sunlight breaks through the dark clouds.
Kat: And what are some of the biggest indications of that, that you are witnessing right now, whether it's, from that information source that you were referring to, or just as observations in the world around you, even in, the grocery store down the street or in the sunlight or [00:12:00] however it is you gauge that
Peter: I think that one thing that's happening now is that the. In particular, the stories we were told about Covid seem to be disintegrating, and the people who bought into those stories are getting more and more uncomfortable. And I don't take the light in that, but I think it leads to a cracking a rupture of that.
That worldview of compliance, like these are the messages that authority gives us, and I'll be specific here. Messages from the government, messages from the media and messages from the corporations and to some extent messages from religious leaders, some of them. And those messages have been, Hey, we're under some kind of organic biological attack and we have to take this medicine that we.
Claim to be using experimentally and not to have tested. And you'll just have to trust us that you're gonna be okay and it's the right thing. what I see happening is that those people who bought in are. And this is like what I'm seeing around me in Canada. Those people are starting to crack. And I don't mean crack [00:13:00] as in go crazy, but the worldview, this consensus reality is cracking and it's cracking because it's happening at the individual level of war.
People are starting to admit themselves so that. Nothing adds up and we don't need to get into all the covid statistics, the fact is that the official discourse is largely nonsense and is pro is being progressively revealed as such. And like I said, I don't want to get into that discourse, but rather the observation is that the mass media control of the Covid narrative is disintegrating and more and more of the truth of what's been happening is coming out.
And so more and more of the consensus reality stakeholders are. Going into a state of similar to anguish and well, certainly confusion. And the reason I think that's significant and the reason I think it's hopeful is because it to me it augers a shift that we may be able to start moving towards a new consensus reality that is closer to the truth and that mobilizes everybody.
to sweep away corrupt structures, corrupt government structures, corrupt corporate structures that are based on the centralization of power, which you could also describe [00:14:00] as greed lust for money, lust for power lust for dominance, is really what we're dealing with. The more we dig in, we see that there's this hidden elite that seeks absolute dominion
over the rest of humanity. That's the stuff I've been alluding to. . So let's put our cards on the table just a little bit and say, we're talking about evil embodied in our world and not just in the middle or at the bottom or whatever, but at the top. . That's the problem. That's what we're actually working on right now, is expunging evil at the top.
Well, there'd be evil in the world after this. Entry into the new age. It's possible. I don't know, but I do believe that evil people won't. Running things, that's what I'm in it for. That's the payoff that I'm looking for, if you like.
Kat: what would your best advice be to people who.
they acknowledge the evil. And there's a lot of indignant and even to some extent nihilistic, truthers out there that are just have cracked all the codes and are saying, it's all corrupt kind of thing. And it's like, how do we take those same feelings and [00:15:00] transform them into some sort of optimism towards our future
like, how do we break out of this, cycle. Of negativity, essentially.
Peter: Right, right. I think one of the problems we have, and I think it's an analytical problem, and I think it's an emotional problem, is that the protagonists or the truth warriors The death cult has a natural enemy, which is the people who perceived it and turned against it.
And they have been very good at concealing themselves, and they have revealed themselves only in direct and frankly, encrypted ways that some of us have learned to read. And I count myself as very much a beginner in that. , but I've seen enough to know that there is a group of people who are bringing this system down in a very deliberate way.
And so that's why I'm optimistic now. If I didn't know that, I'd just probably be really confused and really anxious. . And so there's a, there is a payoff, right? To learning about what's happening, to going to alternative sources, sifting through them and deciding who's opposer and who's actually giving real information and understanding that information is always laced with this information because of the nature of the power. A detail, but [00:16:00] maybe an important one.
Kat: I'd say it's an important one because I see a lot of truther types and freedom type people. Not, certainly not everyone. There's lots of diversity, but there's still a lot that are fixated on the unfolding of a negative timeline. And certainly we know, like from the basics of just work on manifestation and visualization that, we are, we're not helping ourselves, So you're suggesting like actually doing the work of thinking about it?
Peter: Facing the difficult facts. It's so easy to face some of the hard facts and dismiss them out of hand, but what we've learned is that's pain avoidance.
. Yeah, there's some bad poorly presented information out there. Yeah, there seems to be a lot of hints and a lot of encrypted comments, and it can be discouraging. But if you're honest with yourself you have to admit that there's real information out there and there's a coherence in accounts about human trafficking and.
Child abduction, for example political corruption mafia [00:17:00] style organization that leads all the way to the top of the power elite. , criminal governance is really what I'm saying. And deep depravity. And so what happens is it's very easy. . Look at someone who's not spelling correctly or who's dropping a lot of hints and not speaking clearly or who's denouncing his former best friend who's saying something different.
It's very easy to use those as reasons to turn back and say this isn't making sense. I'm just gonna go watch a movie. But there's a cheat there. And the cheat is that you're avoiding. . And the reason I say that is because it's so painful to look at these realities. And so this is a message to those who are sitting on the fence.
I say, go for it. I say, jump off the fence, feel the pain, and feel, feel the pain and do it anyway. Like I said, near the beginning of this.
Kat: Bringing it back to, okay, so we're talking about. , the externalized worlds that, we've been witnessing unfold for generations and maybe even hundreds, if not thousands of years in this direction.
And we're living in this whole like, turning of the tides Yeah. [00:18:00] Moment. Yeah. What, turning it back inside, what do you see as our individual responsibilities in that? in that process because it's in a sense, part of the programming we've been through is to stay in an emotional stagnation, looking out at everything that's gone wrong. Everything that's been difficult.
Peter: Yeah. The victim, like a victim posture or a why me, or,
Kat: yeah, the why me, which I think, it is one of the universal archetypes at all human. Struggle with in some way. , why me? It's yeah. What are you think, what do you think are some of the most important elements in the personal work necessary to help this transformation?
Peter: Okay. Okay. Good question and two things come to mind. One is the unique gifts that every it gifts and insights that every person, let me expand that again. Unique gifts and insights and practical knowledge, working knowledge. Unique combination that everybody, each individual possesses that needs to be mobilized.
And we're all really different. And we have very different kinds of gifts and different [00:19:00] combinations of things through our individual constitutions and our life experiences, and even our state of development. For example, a 20 year old has a lot of things to bring to the table by virtue of being.
In addition to all the specific things about that person. So there's room for everybody at the table, right? Because we're all in this together. This is about the future of humanity. So that's the first point. And I think another point, I guess I'm thinking of three now. Another one in terms of responsibilities is what I've been, hammering away on, which is having the courage to.
But then there's the third one, which is a bit more esoteric in the minds of some people, which is raise your vibration or and I can talk about what that means. And I think a lot of people, who are listening to this will, will have a clear understanding of what that means and some won't.
So we all vibrate, all living things vibrate and it turns out that those vibrations are measurable. And when the vibrate, when an organism vibrates faster, we can say its frequency goes up and we can say that it is capable of a more dynamic and proactive [00:20:00] relationship with the environment and more capable of processing information from the environment intelligently and constructively and generally feels better to be around and the more the vibration sinks the.
I don't know. I guess I want to use the word brutal or barbaric. The individual unresponsive and stubborn and and resistant to learning and resistant to evolution, that person is. And so we all have a responsibility in my view as the age changes to, to do what we can to move up the continuum.
So hence raise our vibration. And there's all. There's all kinds of elements to that and most people know what those are. Cause now books about this is, are very popular. And so there's, there's a dietary component and are you getting enough sleep and are you getting enough exercise?
And then, people like myself are saying, well, are you meditating? What kinds of exercise are you doing? Are you doing exercise that strains the body? Are you doing exercise that opens the body up?
Then of course, how are you relating to friends and family and coworkers? Are you bringing a positive attitude, even if they're not really giving one to you, or do you get into [00:21:00] a pissing match with them all the time? And it's like, well, if I'm gonna be treated this way, I'm gonna treat them that way. you can't really evolve if you take that position in a negative world, you have to make the greatest efforts to be kind and constructive.
That doesn't mean you have to hang around with negative. , it means that you and you can select to be with more positive people, but often. with the interdependencies, it's not that easy to change relationships, but there's always at least a little bit of room to shift how much time you spend with someone and what the terms of engagement are.
And so that ties into the whole idea about frequency because the higher your frequency, the more resources you have to renegotiate your relationship with reality because of higher energy, higher intelligence and a more kind of intimately interactive relationship with whatever is happening.
Another way of putting it that's really important in that, that spiritual teachers use to emphasize. And in the past decades is your capacity to be present for what's happening. And if you're afraid, it's very difficult. to bring your consciousness into the present moment and pay full attention to what's actually [00:22:00] happening and however negative it might appear.
What is, where is that sweet evolutionary opportunity in that seemingly negative encounter? And can we be present for our own lives? Or are we thinking wistfully about the past or hopefully about the future and missing the present moment where all the action is. So lots of authors have written about this. Some of them are very popular. It's a very important principle.
Kat: how can we mobilize our own responsibility and actually being active parts of this transformation and not just being bystanders as we watch this, the movie, or, grab our popcorn and watch the movie as a lot of people like to refer to, but and on a more collective level, one of the biggest. I guess attacks on humanity that I've been witnessing over the last, well, for a very long time, but it really ramped up in the last 10 years, let's say, is this divide and conquer agenda. Between people, between groups, between sexes and genders and ages and [00:23:00] intergenerational conflicts, the millennials and the baby boomers, and the, the binary and the conservative and the liberal, and how, like what are some of the tools that. Witnessed or thought about that can start to mend some of those divides.
Peter: Yeah. Great question. , I think oh, it's important to say, first off, that a lot of people don't buy any of this stuff. And because guess what, you have a mom and a dad, and a sister and a brother and a nephew who's a baby and niece who's 12, and you love them all.
Right? And you have a coworker, at work who's from. and you think he's like a pretty decent guy and you've got your Irish grandmother and you've got and all of these people mean something to you. So this idea that someone from some group is your enemy because they belong to that group, these are lies and and a lot of people get that, however, This process of mental conditioning.
And we haven't talked about mind control yet in this discussion, but it's a real thing and every generation gets a little more conditioned through [00:24:00] this very sophisticated, multifaceted use of what politicians say, what celebrities say what news anchors say, and journalists write. , I don't know if I mentioned movie stars sports stars and then college professors and influential books that somehow get all these awards and are all these copies are printed and learning to ask the questions about, well, where, what are these messages really and where do they come from?
And the horror that we, the horrible conclusion that we come to is that there's been a great deal of cognitive engineering. It gets people to see racism where it doesn't exist and gender choice where it isn't real. And stuff like that. And I know these comments will trigger a lot of people or some people.
And there are a fair percentage of the population has bought into this stuff. My guess is about 20%. I think there's probably another 20% that are just vehemently opposed to it. And then again, we have that crucial middle group, and maybe those numbers are more like thirds. I don't know.
Something along those lines and I think it differs by country, but I think that it's, a lot of this [00:25:00] stuff seems to be at a fever pitch right now and it can look dire with respect to this issue that you're raising now. But I sense a lot of desperation and I think that this this is the type of manipulation that has been used against us for a long time.
And it's reaching a crescendo in my view, right as the system begins to. and what I see honestly, is a lot of theater of the absurd in with respect to the gender thing and men with beards who are pregnant and all that stuff. All this absurdist theater that, my term, my characterization that's playing out with these memes and stories and, government policies and commercial policies that say you mentioned one earlier.
a certain cultural center in, in the town I live in was transgender friendly. And that was a big tech mark, so again, the sophistication of the strategies used against people to divide them. And you have to choose to support something you don't believe in. Like, let's say your 12 year old son has the right to become a woman.
or become a bad person in the eyes of the people who are claimed to support it. So all of these aren't details of these programs. This is [00:26:00] the essence is division and polarization. And they always reassert. The tyrants always reassert themselves. through, through civil strife, through through social breakdown, through the breakdown of the family.
Frankly the breakdown of the family has been a goal for a long time and, they've had a considerable success in the West for sure. So, I know I'm rambling a bit, but my answer is, and I forget exactly what your question was, but don't freak out. My answer is don't freak out. So stop and have a laugh because it's really ridiculous, and it's gonna fall apart when the regime collapses and the regime collapse will happen largely through financial collapse. And, I think that's coming up pretty fast. And in general, I think we, we should watch ourselves when we sense ourselves becoming afraid, well, does financial collapse mean I won't be able to pay my rent and buy groceries?
And the answer is, it'll probably appear that way for a few. , or maybe a few weeks, if things are bumpy , but I don't foresee a future in which there'll be large scale suffering. They, a lot of truthers talk about the scare event and the near death [00:27:00] experience.
And and the analysis seems to be that we have to go through that to break the dense shell of programming that a pretty big proportion of people still seem to hold and that may. And no one knows exactly what they will be. And it seems to be a closely guarded secret, but, excuse me, I tend to think it will be a demonstration of financial collapse.
and that we'll all see zero in our bank accounts and be told by the power company that our power will be shut off in 10 days. We don't pay our bill with money we no longer have. And the house will be repossessed or you'll be evicted from your rental premises and so on. And that, I think is, that's my best candidate for near-death, collective near-death experience, the scare event.
But there are many other versions of that alien invasion is one threat of civil war through. through woke people arguing with truthers, is one another bio weapon is one I find that really hard to credit.
Kat: It's just ongoing environmental crisis,
Peter: right? The global warming thing, which is like probably the weakest of them all.
And so you start when you get some familiarity with these these themes, you start [00:28:00] to realize how weak our enemy really is, but also how weak we have been made. And so this is a process of stepping up and becoming stronger. So I remember I was shocked a few years ago. I was in a men's circle and one guy kept talking about, man up.
And I thought, oh, that's, I'm not comfortable with that phrase, but now it's, now I want to use it, man up or woman up, like, get your stuff together. Find your testes, find your ovaries, and get out there and say, no, I'm not doing this
Kat: right. And it's really interesting that you use that term man up As a whole other rabbit hole of truthing has been regarding how much this straw man projection character has been, has controlled our lives in some way. it feels like this, this looming inevitability for most people that, it's their mortgage and their credit score and their student loan and, their professional license,
and their driver's license and how many fines they have, that all of this stuff somehow is, more important than actually being alive as a true.
Peter: Yeah. Very good observation. I think it's true. It's a net has been cast around us and the paradox is that when you decide that you [00:29:00] don't wanna live that way and you withdraw your innate power from the institutions that are doing that as many people have done in the last couple of years the net has this strange way of disappearing or at least becoming.
non-binding, almost like you can put your hands through the net and walk out of the net. And it's still there in the perception of many people and you can see what they're seeing, but it doesn't contain you. And this is also tied into to consciousness and frequency. And we can actually elevate our frequency right out of these prisons.
and maybe that is the bottom line, not withstanding all this spy versus spy white hat versus black hat stuff. Maybe the great flip will actually happen through just sheer spiritual willpower.
Kat: That's a great point, and I've often wondered that myself, because I tracked closely during. The whole period of the pandemic people's Whether you were dealing with, the Department of Homeland Security crossing into the US or you were dealing with, your teacher's union or even your doctor.
It was incredible how much everyone's [00:30:00] personal signature and also their willingness to stand in their own truth. Really determined. Yeah. The outcome of those events. And I've had that thought myself that. , you don't really know what reality is until you test it. And when you test it, you begin to expand it.
And it's like you're saying about this invisible net that's been cast over us. It's if you have enough courage to just reach your hand outside of it, like what else do you discover? And really it's such a personal experience that the only way you'll know for sure is to actually do it yourself.
You might be empowered by other people's stories. You might be inspired at best. But the only way you'll really know is if you actually live it yourself.
Peter: Right. And your own way of dealing with it will be largely unique. It might be, might fall into a certain group of things that people talk about, and it might not, when it will reflect your own unique presence and approach and your own powers and your own.
and all of life is like that. Life is constantly mirroring back to us what we're putting out. A very simple [00:31:00] example, if you go to a a farmer's market or something and you ask the vendor about their produce and you're trying to buy some produce and you're asking questions, if you are friendly and listening and open-minded, you'll probably you have a better chance of coming away with what you.
And if you're like feeling like mistrustful of the vendor or doubtful of your ability to make a selection, or maybe the vendor is just getting it awful off a truck and doesn't know anything about it and you're approaching it that way you'll get a different kind of result probably.
And, having that awareness of what you experience is largely a consequence of how you enter the encounter whether it's buying groceries or meeting customs officials, as you try to get into another country or even your own country, you face this strange irrational system of control that's been opposed upon us, which is really just an escalation of controls that were already there.
So we're being challenged, it's like how bad does it have to get before you stand up for yourself? That is a big aspect of what's happening and all I'm really trying to add to that axiom is. , what kind of energy are you bringing to that to that [00:32:00] challenge? Call it a confrontation, call it a meeting or a, call it a test, but what are you bringing?
And be honest with yourself and see if you can develop it. , see if you can take it to another level.
Kat: Absolutely. Yeah. That's, sometimes I had this kind of notion crossed my mind that once I heard this idea, and it sounds sort of fantastical, but I thought. A good guide to understanding just evolution in general.
But this idea, they were talking about the count of St. Jermaine and how, he was this sort of mythical figure in European and North American history and you're was it a story or was he actually real, because it's just, it's so beyond the scope of reality that we're used to hearing about.
But he was said to be an ascended master. And one of the characteristics of an ascended master, I forget the exact number, but. You had in your evolutionary period, you had made 3 million correct decisions. Oh, okay. And there's a sense in which, we're, again, we're looking out at this pantomime, this [00:33:00] external reality and like what's happening with, Trudeau and Biden and Trump and all these actors and all these public figures, and as if that's determining our reality.
But what happened if it's just a critical number. Integral Acts done by the Human Collective to finally say, okay.
Peter: Absolutely. I think you are right. I don't need to say anything other than that.
Kat: And yeah, I just, I don't know. For me, it's the encouragement of everyone taking into account the impact of their small interactions on a daily basis in terms of how its shaping reality, not only for themselves, but for the whole collective, yep.
. Yeah. . Yeah. Is there any points like you wanna elaborate on or that are
Well,
Peter: maybe I'll take a run at the question of God. So we have in the truth or sphere, we have religious people, like in Canada states, mostly it seems to be Christians. And they're very comfortable talking about.
And God wins. And God loves his children. And and we want to [00:34:00] do, we wanna do this for humanity and we want humanity to flourish according to God's plan. And there are a lot of secular truthers, and I think most of them don't object to this, but maybe don't relate to it.
But the other thing that's happening is that a lot of secular truthers are becoming more religious. And I don't count myself in either of those groups because I have a conception of God that is that God is innate in all aspects of creation. And actually religious people won't disagree with that, but they tend to focus.
on a superior entity. God is a superior entity that's typically portrayed as above us, at least in the Judeo-Christian and I think Islamic traditions. So I don't really subscribe to that because I think I, I don't necessarily think it's wrong, but I think that the important part for people to focus on is God within themselves.
Or rediscovering the part of them that is God and I suppose some religious people would consider that blasphemous and some would accommodated. I don't really know. But self realization is what this is called in some circles. And there's the local self, which is transient and then there's the the higher self, which is and there's a part of [00:35:00] you that is, is like your personal piece of God.
It's like the shareholder who owns a part of I don't know, IBM or Ford or something that, that he's got a little bit of Ford in him, if you like, or a little bit of IBM in him. And so that's those are crude metaphors, but that's where I'm coming from and. , and whether you're secular or religious or spiritual and non-religious, like me and many of the people I know it doesn't really matter.
We can all in the sense that we can all, once we reach a certain level of frankly factual appreciation of what's going on in the world and leave the programmed understanding, the pre-programmed understanding of television and so on. , we can push through this great transformation and we'll all understand everything much better on the other side.
So I'm not sure why I wanted to say that. But I think it's mostly in the spirit of saying, Hey, look, there are different ways of looking at this and let's try not to be too rigid in our beliefs, whether we're secular or religious or spiritual. Let's not insist upon our own superiority.
Certainly we're all concerned [00:36:00] about corruption and compromise, and we have to stay true to our principles, but actually we share common principles that we want a world free of corruption. If we can't get a world free of evil, we at least want to get the evil people out of power. We absolutely have to eradicate these dark networks that fix outcomes in every sphere of life.
That's the reality folks. If you don't see that yet, you gotta work a little. . But I guess maybe what we can all agree on is that we all are part of the universe the universe as a whole is evolving. I hope that most of us could agree on that. Maybe there are some people that are are turning up their nose or whatever, but wrong phrase there, but we're all in this.
we're all in this together and let's behave that way.
Kat: Right, absolutely. I've noticed, in these couple years how some of the more courageous people, and I know this is difficult to qualify because but just in what I've witnessed, some of the more courageous people have always.
Some kind of relationship or appreciation for a higher power, whether you call that God or , the universe or the creator or Jesus [00:37:00] Christ. Or whatever it is, that is your, your word for the higher power that is with you, that a accompanies you along the way. That seems to be a tremendous the biggest ally that any of us really could have and to muster up the courage to face, which seem like impossible odds against us, because we truly have.
Controlled to the nth degree through everything.
Peter: I think you're right. I, yeah, I don't disagree with that. And it's possible that the secular people are the most susceptible to despondency. I don't know. But yeah, I think you made a really important point there.
Kat: Yeah. And so I don't even know what the message is because you, it's very much a personal.
Relationship that you develop with the divine, or you're gifted through a near death experience or through some other turning of events. But eventually a lot of us are brought to that. Whether we were born into it and bred into it, or we finally, see the magic through.
tragedy and triumph. [00:38:00] Yeah that higher power is, one of the greatest things that they've really tried to block from our consciousness in terms of, realizing, okay, we. , we have no handle on banking or elections or, education or border control or any of these things. But, what is that relationship with the cosmos
Peter: Right, and that's related to the question of vibration.
And just sheer positivity and actually, frankly, capacity, capability. And by reconnecting. One way of putting it is by reconnecting with the center of the universe or God or whatever you want to call it you become more energized, you become stronger and you become more aligned with the evolutionary process.
And what's very clear to me and to many others in this sort of truth or zone, the evolutionary process is unstoppable, and we're in a, we're very far into a very deep transformation that's very positive. And I, frankly I feel for those who are studying this and are just overwhelmed with horror and sometimes pessimism because because they don't have to suffer that much.
They [00:39:00] just have to. to let the understanding coalesce a little bit more, let all the learning coalesce a little bit more and see that either we're winning or we've already won, or some weird state between those two might be most likely. The, one of the I can't remember who said this, but it's there's some movie where some, warrior Tarzan type of figure throws a spear into the head of a charging or rhino know.
And the spear penetrates the brain of the rhino, and it's essentially dying, but it's charging forward anyway. And apparently in this movie, the I don't really watch, Hollywood movies, so I so I'm of winging it here. I hope people will forgive me though, especially those who've seen the movie.
But apparently the animal crumbles a few feet in front of the warrior because he was running for 50 feet while he was dying and was actually dead in the last few steps he took. And I'm pretty sure. that we're, either at 20 feet before the warrior or three feet before the warrior or the animals actually collapse, and we just haven't been told yet.
So that's exciting and yeah and so I just encourage people who are in that space of doubt and pessimism to be open to the possibility that victory [00:40:00] is at. .
Kat: And how do you see the best, what are the best way people can orient themselves or invest their time or their attention at this point in this evolutionary process?
Peter: I think people should do what makes them feel good? Makes them feel strong, makes them feel whole. And if reading truth or, stuff. , an hour a day doesn't make you feel that, then maybe you shouldn't do it. But if going for a run does, then maybe you should go for a run or hanging out with your friends just to play, sports or to talk about the stuff or whatever it may be to make muffins, I don't know.
Take care of yourselves. And we all should be taking care of ourselves and strengthening ourselves and doing what we can to heal the wounds in society, which are pretty considerable now. And I think we're more wounded now than we have been, but that doesn't mean we've lost, I think that the, what is it, the toll of casualties is highest just before the end of the war and at the end of the war. And yeah, we've accumulated a lot of damage of all kinds. But that doesn't mean we've lost and I think that we're gonna, we're all gonna understand that fairly soon.
Kat: [00:41:00] Yeah. Thank you so much for sharing all this different insight. I know we could go into depth with any one of these points, but it's a map of different themes that I know many of us have been, batting around, with each other and within our own consciousness in the last few years.
And, I really appreciate the the equanimity the faith that you carry. I think that's, one of the most important, at least in from my vantage. . And of all the things I've seen, all the people I've met, I think one of the greatest gifts that anyone could give to themselves and others is faith in a higher process.
. . And a patience in allowing it to unfold and knowing that, there's so many things that we do not have control over, but we are. , so I really appreciate that part of your perspective. And it's always been a beautiful guiding light, a candle in sometimes the dark during these times.
And yeah, part of the hope of the, these interviews, and [00:42:00] it's just to spread that faith and to strengthen it so that more and more of us can focus on, building the next or building or allowing for the next, you. Phase to really take root here. Do you have any closing thoughts or,
Peter: yeah, I wanted to thank you for all the excellent questions.
I've noticed that the most informed commentators always do better when the person hosting them or interviewing them asks, better questions and I think you've got a knack for that. And I think you brought out more of what I would really want to say, what I really have to say, that represents my, unique take and the work I've been doing along the lines of us all having to contribute from our strengths and our particular gifts.
Your your feel for what is the right question? Makes this process more rewarding for, I think for you, for me, and for those who are listening to us. And that emphasis on asking the right question [00:43:00] also applies to our observation of the world around us. Are we being misdirected to the wrong questions that produce useless information, or can we figure out the questions or that?
that the oppressors, the tyrants haven't wanted us to ask. And the people who've been doing that have fueled this movement for liberation. And you're one of them and I'm one of them. And I say I think you should keep doing this. I think you're good at it, and you'll bring out the best of the people you talk to.
So thanks very much for this get together, this chat. It's been great.
Kat: Thank you so much, Peter. I really appreciate your time.
E5 - Truther Chat with Peter